I'm aware that no article is perfect, and I've got poorly written ideas of my own. Though its frustrating running into encyclopedia and other articles on subjects, that are poorly sourced, poorly written, and reflect the writer's lack of knowledge (while pretending to know more than they do).
Looking through the Encyclopedia Britannica's article on the Baltic Languages, in the section on their developement, we find this:
"By the middle of the 1st millennium BC, the Proto-Baltic area was already sharply split into dialects. From the middle of the 1st millennium AD,
the Baltic language area began to shrink considerably; at that time the
greater part of Baltic territory, the eastern part, began to be
inhabited by Slavs migrating from the south. The Balts there were
gradually assimilated by the Slavs; complete assimilation probably
occurred around the 14th century. One of these Baltic tribes, the
Galindians (Goljadĭ), is mentioned in a chronicle as late as the 12th
century. The protolanguage of the so-called Eastern Balts split into
Lithuanian and Latvian (Latgalian) around the 7th century. The other
languages of the so-called Eastern Balts became separated probably at
the same time. Selonian and Semigallian could have been transitional
languages between Lithuanian and Latvian. Only Curonian, which some
consider to be a transitional language between East and West Baltic,
might have developed somewhat earlier. Moreover, the name of the
Curonians occurs in historical sources earlier (ad 853: Latin Cori) than the names of the other tribes of the so-called Eastern Balts."
Chunky paragraph aside, this is really sloppy and hard to follow. It looks like someone published their pre-published notes as the completed product.
Another problem, is that they don't state their evidence for ProtoBaltic as splitting from ProtoSlavic (assuming it did, and that its not an areal family) during the 2nd millenium BCE, nor that it was split into 2 dialects by the 1st millenium CE. I'm not saying that it wasn't, but can't you point to the evidence?
I guess this wouldn't be a problem if half the internet didn't parrot the same wordy substance-light article, making an already obscure subject like historical linguistics, even harder to learn more about.
The way that I would have written this, would be to split it into at least three paragraphs. One that dealt with the language family as a whole, and the period before the split. Then the next paragraphs about each of the Baltic language family groups individually.
Monday, December 29, 2014
Monday, December 15, 2014
North Picene: An Analysis and a possible interpretation of parts
Starting with the Novilara Stele, let's
highlight both possible endings, stems, and affixes. Note, I'm
starting from the educated guess that this is, in fact, an
IndoEuropean language, although this isn't yet proven.
Suggested roots will be in black,
stems/affixes in (mainly) red, and endings in blue.
The Novilara Stele
- mimniś erút gaareśtadeś
- rotnem úvlin partenúś
- polem iśairon tet
- śút tratneši krúviś
- tenag trút ipiem rotneš
- lútúiś θalú iśperion vúl
- teś rotem teú aiten tašúr
- śoter merpon kalatne
- niś vilatoś paten arn
- úiś baleśtenag andś et
- šút iakút treten teletaú
- nem polem tišú śotriś eúś
While I don't particularly think that all of these represent how you
could break this down, it does demonstrate the point that,
structurally, it does seem IndoEuropeanish. Also, other than -ag and
-p-, all of the endings do look like stems and endings that have
other IndoEuropean counterparts.
The following fragment, I will skip,
due to the difficulties that would occur in analyzing it, at least
with what I know of it:
1st Fragment
úpeś
mresveat
mresveat
This next fragment is analyzeable:
2nd Fragment
pa śatigot
kešoteri
amdet : nk
------ k --------
kešoteri
amdet : nk
------ k --------
Other than the suffixes -ti- and -ter-
(if that's how they're divided), and endings -ot and -i, this looks
noteably less indoeuropeanish than the main stele.
And finally, the last text:
3rd Fragment
tiperašθe
raiup
bav---
-----ipš---------------------
-----ipš---------------------
Counting this as indoeuropean, I've
basically gone on the assumption that -a- might have been from
e+Laryngeal>a. Though other possibilities exist.
As you can see, the fragments seem
noteably less indoeuropean than the maintext. Whether this is due to
the fragmentary nature of these short inscriptions, or due to this
not being indoeuropean, is something that can be explored further.
Now that we've looked at how this
could be analyzed, let's take a second look, shall we?
It seems that the longer words may be
verbs.
The Novilara Stele (A closer look)
- 1. mimniś erút gaareśtadeś
- 2. rotnem úvlin partenúś
- 3. polem iśairon tet
- 4. śút tratneši krúviś
- 5. tenag trút ipiem rotneš
- 6. lútúiś θalú iśperion vúl
- 7. teś rotem teú aiten tašúr
- 8. śoter merpon kalatne
- 9. niś vilatoś paten arn
- 10. úiś baleśtenag andś et
- 11. šút iakút treten teletaú
- 12. nem polem tišú śotriś eúś
I find the end of line 2 and beginning
of line 3 interesting. Last word in line 2 resembles vulgar latin
"(nos) partimos ~ (nos) part(y)amos" or 1st
person present plural indicative~Subjunctive verb form of partire "to
depart, leave".
Line 3 starts with what appears to be
the Accusative singular form of the greek word polis "city",
or in this case pol-em:
2. (...) partenúś
- 3. polem (...)
-
- Perhaps, this part may be translated as:
- 2. (...) we left
- 3. the city (...)
-
- The following word is less clear in meaning, but tentatively, we can view the -on as the genitive plural ending.
- Iśairon
-
- So, we have:
- "(...) we left the city of Isair (...)"
-
- If this is a proper interpretation of this section, this doesn't mean that this is an Italic nor Greek language that we're dealing with here. These could, in fact, be derived from words from those families, if not being direct loans themselves. In much the same way as terms like "ad hoc" and deja vu" from Latin and French are left untranslated, yet, form meaningful phrases in Modern English.
-
- Lines 9 and 10 seem to have a plural personal pronoun + Verb combination:
- niś vilatoś
- úiś baleśtenag
-
- Niś appears to be in the first person plural pronoun nes (Nominative nos) in the accusative case, and úiś appears to be the 2nd person plural pronoun wes (Nominative wos) in the accusative case. The nes~nos and wes~wos coming from ProtoIndoEuropean. The only problem with this, is that they would be enclitic forms.
- The verb balestenag can be interpreted as having the elements -est-en-ag in it. The ending -ag appears in multiple places, though what an IndoEuropean equivalent would be is wanting. Though the -este- ~ -est- ~ -ste- could be a realization of -st-, which may have come from the PIE suffix -skʲ-. This same cluster can be found in line one with gaarestades; which could be analyzed as gaare-sta-d-es (among other interpretations).
- The above seems to have a perfect suffix -d- and a perfect/past 2nd person singular ending -es, of which I'm not sure is supposed to occur in IndoEuropean. Or, perhaps, -des is meant, which may have come from the end person plural ending -tes (or perhaps, -ates). The later, though would require -t->-d-, seems more likely.
- In line 6, iśperion seems to be conjugated like the greek name hyperion, but I'm not clear on what the root isper would represent.
- Soter~sotri seems to be a greek loanword "savior", which can be an epithet for gods, heros, and kings.
-
- For a broader look, to wrap this up for now, would give the following for case endings:
-
- Nominative or Genetive singular, or Nominative and/or Accusative Plural (possibly all of the above) -(e/i)s
- Accusative Singular -(e)m
- Genetive Plural -(e)n
North Picene: What remains of a 2500 year old language
North Picene is an unclassified
language from Northeastern Italy, preserved on stelai fragments from
the 800-650 BCE period. A quick look at the best preserved
inscription, the Novilara Stele, suggests that the language might be
IndoEuropean. Other proposals have also been suggested, but this is
the one we're to look at today.
The Novilara Stele (6th
Century BCE)
- mimniś erút gaareśtadeś
- rotnem úvlin partenúś
- polem iśairon tet
- śút tratneši krúviś
- tenag trút ipiem rotneš
- lútúiś θalú iśperion vúl
- teś rotem teú aiten tašúr
- śoter merpon kalatne
- niś vilatoś paten arn
- úiś baleśtenag andś et
- šút iakút treten teletaú
- nem polem tišú śotriś eúś
For an image of this stele:
And according to this post in this
forum:
mimniś erút gaareśtadeś
rotneš úvlin parten úś
polem iśairon tet
šút tratneši krúš
tenag trút ipiem rotneš
lútúiś θalú iśperion vúl
teś rotem teú aiten tašúr
śoter merpon kalatne
niś vilatoś paten arn
úiś baleśtenag andś et
šút lakút treten teletaú
nem polem tišú śotriś eúś
possible alternative readings:
line 1: gaariśtadeś
line 2: partenúś
line 4: krúś
line 5: rotnem
line 8: merion
line 11: mút iakút
rotneš úvlin parten úś
polem iśairon tet
šút tratneši krúš
tenag trút ipiem rotneš
lútúiś θalú iśperion vúl
teś rotem teú aiten tašúr
śoter merpon kalatne
niś vilatoś paten arn
úiś baleśtenag andś et
šút lakút treten teletaú
nem polem tišú śotriś eúś
possible alternative readings:
line 1: gaariśtadeś
line 2: partenúś
line 4: krúś
line 5: rotnem
line 8: merion
line 11: mút iakút
And as for the other fragmentary texts,
also found in Novilara, according to that forum post:
2nd Stele (left half of two
lines)
úpeś
mresveat
mresveat
The ú in line 1 might also be an L.
In line 2 ve could also be ev or ee.
In line 2 ve could also be ev or ee.
3rd fragmentary text
pa śatigot
kešoteri
amdet : nk
------ k --------
kešoteri
amdet : nk
------ k --------
The p in line 1 is uncertain.
4th fragmentary text
tiperašθe raiup
bav---
-----ipš---------------------
-----ipš---------------------
I like how the user Arnth also added
sidenotes:
"There appears to be some flexion
at work: rotnem - rotneš, śoter - śotris.
Similarities to Greek words: polem - polis, śoter - soter, iśperion – esperios."
Similarities to Greek words: polem - polis, śoter - soter, iśperion – esperios."
I noticed this as well, and they're
(well at least some of them) transparently IndoEuropean! Though they
also note how the -sv- element is also found in North Etruscan, as
well as several other features also being possibly Etruscan (so it's
not a done deal what language family this belongs to).
Now that we've presented the evidence
of this language, let's start picking it apart, shall we?
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